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February 21st, 2008


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05:04 pm - Matt Jones should be writing for Supernatural or something
Because, no offence to him, his stories are rather more horror/fantasy than they are sci-fi, really. And, while I'm not opposed to a bit of horror in the Whoniverse, it really jarred quite a bit here, especially in contrast to Reset which was very hi-tech spy thriller.


First things first: My personal opinon on main character deaths in TV shows (or any recurring media, really) is that they should preferably stay dead. And if they must come back, there should be consequences.

So I am really quite pleased that they seem to be going for the consequences bit here with Owen. The "12 people died because you brought me back" on the wider scale, and the whole zombie!Owen deal on a more personal level.

(One question, do you think the lack of bodily functions going on for Owen will mean we'll get gradual body decay for him, and he'll have to pull a Nicky from the Felix Castor books to stay intact? Or will we just get the trad vampire time walking corpse, just without the blood/sunlight issues?)

Though I'm currently trying to work out the point of zombified!Owen in the long term. Yeah, it means that there's always an instant out if Burn Gorman wants to leave, but aside from that (and the epic Owen/Tosh type angst going on), all we seem to have got going on as well is Owen's now unkillable on account of already being dead.

And with Jack and all, does Torchwood really need two impossible to kill guys floating around?

It's not that I dislike the concept (in fact, I think zombie!Owen is made of awesome), it's just I am hoping it's not one of those plots that gets deep focus for a few episodes, and then is only ever brought up in the occasional throw-away line.

And back onto the episode itself.

One of the issues I have seen brought up from some people is the (relative) lack of Martha in this episode, given she's only in three. As I have said elsewhere, I didn't really have that much of a problem with this - look at how much Martha time we had compared to Gwen or Ianto or even Tosh, and I suspect it would stack up reasonably.

What my issue was the aging her up think in order to sideline her, which felt irritatingly gratuitous - the good ol' "we need someone we know in danger to personalise the threat". It's not like having her running around the hospital with the others (or even helping out in one of the wards, perhaps) would have really changed the plot, and there will be pointed looks at anyone who tries to convince me there was no other way of getting to the hospital for the finale.

I was also irritated at how it didn't help Martha with the actual saving the day thing. We know she's capable of it, so can people please let her, you know, help save the day.

That said, her interactions with Owen were rather cute - again, I don't ship them, but they make cute and rather fun friends.

Okay, yet again I shall attempt to get back on topic.

The bit with Jack seeing creepy tarot girl was exceedingly... random. There's probably a really interesting backstory there, and naturally they don't let us in on it. (What is she alien, human with powers ala Tim Latimer in Human Nature, and how the hell does Jack know her?)

The nest of weevils had some oddly amusing decor, though why they had a Resurrection Glove in a box I haven't the foggiest. Wonder if that will ever be explain or not.

That said, getting proper goodbyes was an oddly sweet idea of Jack's. As was Tosh's declaration of love (and Owen subsequently saying it was just grief that made her say that - I disagree with the proposition, I do think she loves him, but I do agree that she wouldn't have said it otherwise.)

We then had Martha as Devil's Advocate of it all - playing the role of the Doctor, really, in his normal "Everything has it's time and everything dies" spiel. For all Jack said he didn't tell UNIT because they might want the glove for themself, I'm also fairly certain he knew what Martha was really saying here. He did have a conversation about fixed points with the Doctor once, after all. And Owen is, just with Jack, wrong now.

*cue S6 Buffy comparisons*

The weird eyes and random creepy languages seem a bit of Matt Jones trademark now, don't they?

Also, I had to laugh a little at the woman coming onto Owen and calling him "gorgeous". Because, even though Owen can be quite entertaining, and even though I've come to like him after many episodes, he's hardly the handsomest bloke around.

Oh, and I'll admit a squick to the throwing up scene. This is mainly because seeing other people vomit makes me feel like I'm going to vomit, and so there was much DO NOT WANT on my behalf in that scene.

What else...

Oh yeah, Owen is so Jack's substitute little brother. I spent far too much of this episode getting that vibe off them. I'm sure the few Jack/Owen slashers will love it, but what with Jack's (completely repressed in his memory) little brother loss issues, I was getting some serious substitution vibes. Or rather, not so much Owen as a substitute but as a re-enactment of that whole Gray debacle.

That line of Tosh's about Googling was ace. As was Ianto's later one about Weight Watchers.

And then we had the random Addams Family scene. Yes, I know everyone else thought it. I do wonder why the hand was so specifically after Martha, though - Jack was getting ready to inject Owen as well. The look between Ianto and Jack was amusing, mind.

And then we had the traditional horror movie hospital scene, random sick kid getting a pep talk, a Tosh/Owen kiss that was simulataneously cute and made me annoyed at Owen for pulling that trick on poor Tosh, and random bizarre CGI wrestling.

Cue victory of Owen over Death (for now) and our vague "Owen will drop dead one day but we don't know when" get out of Torchwood free clause for Burn Gorman.

ETA: Owen's voiceover on the next episode trailer. Was it supposed to sound like they were ripping off Life on Mars at the start or was that just a coincidence?

I may add more later as I think of it. Then again, I may not.
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From:shannonsequitur
Date:February 21st, 2008 07:30 am (UTC)
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I think it would be kind of awesome if Owen ended up like Reg Shoe and was constantly having to sew his own limbs back on.
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 21st, 2008 07:33 am (UTC)
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Oh, LOL

That's like the cure to Nicky's preventative style of zombification.
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From:hacked2death
Date:February 21st, 2008 10:30 am (UTC)
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They should of given him a set time to live, like Sheridan. You've got 20 years or something like that, make Owen deal with what he has left..
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 21st, 2008 10:59 am (UTC)
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Yeah, but if Burn Gorman wants to leave at short notice (which is possible, since I think he's the best of the Torchwood regulars), that doesn't have an inbuilt out-clause in it.

Also: Live each days as if it's your life. And other such platitudes.
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From:marymac
Date:February 21st, 2008 12:37 pm (UTC)
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I wish I'd saved my MSN conversation from last night. My friend was getting hysterical commentary. Especially the hand bit. Its the oldest damn trick in the book and it makes me jump every single time.

*is a wuss*

Unless they refit this next week, I'd agree - it gives them a handy way to put Owen out of action if Gorman gets work in something else. And he's the only one who's high profile and in a lot of stuff.
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 21st, 2008 01:21 pm (UTC)
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Aw, that is a pity. It would have amused me muchly.
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From:marymac
Date:February 21st, 2008 01:34 pm (UTC)
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I think the best part was the mutual realization that he was keeping track better than I was, and he's never watched the show...I was so confused all the way through.
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 21st, 2008 01:37 pm (UTC)
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Oh LOL.

...I think I just need some hilarity right now. I didn't hate the episode or anything, but it didn't fill me with Squee like the one before did, and want to be squeeful again.
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From:marymac
Date:February 21st, 2008 02:34 pm (UTC)
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I have ditched any and all expectations of quality. It makes it much more enjoyable.

And I watched a fabulous show about a vampire, a werewolf and a ghost sharing a house straight afterwards, so I'm feeling much more charitable towards Torchwood after that nice fix of quality. In a kind of 'Aw, bless, they weren't as good but they're trying' way.
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 21st, 2008 02:38 pm (UTC)
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That show sounds adorable. What's it called, and is it worth hunting down on the Intertubes?
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From:marymac
Date:February 21st, 2008 02:46 pm (UTC)
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Being Human.
It was on BBC3. I'm hopelessly in love. Mileage may vary, but I have a rather huge soft spot for shows with a vampire and a werewolf. Especially when the vampire settles the bickering over who's going to go investigate the ghosty noises with the immortal words 'You'll do better than me in a fight, you're stocky, like when an anvil falls on a carton character'.

I am so very shallow.
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 21st, 2008 04:36 pm (UTC)
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Heh.

Well, I'll give it a try, and I'll let you know what I think.
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From:marymac
Date:February 21st, 2008 05:55 pm (UTC)
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The soundtrack is a bit irritating for the first ten minutes or so, but it either gets better chosen or less intrusive as it goes on.

I'm just hoping they actually take it to a series.
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 22nd, 2008 12:32 am (UTC)
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Oh, it's just a pilot so far?

It's seems well liked on my flist, so I expect you aren't the only one hoping for a series.
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From:edzel2
Date:February 21st, 2008 07:56 pm (UTC)

Being Human

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Me too! Saw it last night for the first time (was that the first ep?) and hubby and I are def hooked. I feel sure it will become a cult show. It reminds me of another show but at the moment I can't quite remember which one... I'm sure it will come to me.
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From:marymac
Date:February 22nd, 2008 12:47 am (UTC)

Re: Being Human

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Pilot.
I will be terribly peeved if it doesn't get a series because they left it hanging.
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From:xwingace
Date:February 21st, 2008 02:11 pm (UTC)
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The leap I made for the creepy girl with the tarot cards is that it was Faith. The girl resurrected previously with the same glove that resurrected Owen, I mean.

Also... since Torchwood dídn't appear to have found the nurse, doesn't that mean that Owen struggled with (and won, for whatever sense of the word) with a fully empowered Death?

XWA
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 21st, 2008 02:39 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, that's a thought. Not sure if it was intended, but it's a decent enough guess.

Also... since Torchwood dídn't appear to have found the nurse, doesn't that mean that Owen struggled with (and won, for whatever sense of the word) with a fully empowered Death?

...I think you may have just found a plot-hole.
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From:edzel2
Date:February 21st, 2008 07:52 pm (UTC)

Zombie Owen

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Hi - I've been a LJ user for a few months now (mainly Life in 1973) but I thought I would try out a TW community and yours seems nice, so here I am!

I was so shocked by last nights ep that I had to watch the next one on BBC3 straight after.... like most of here I think!!! I really hope they don't do away with Owen because, annoying as he often was in S1, and strangly less so in S2 so far, I would really miss him. I think you could be right about the LoM steal, but whatever - as a massive LoM fan I think its nice that shows are now paying homage to a show that kind of paid homage itself!! Unusually for me I've tried to steer clear of too much info about the eps before I see them, to keep the element of surprise. Well i certainly managed it before last nights because although I had a bit of a suspicion seconds before it happened, it did take me by surprise. I had heard hints that something dramatic and terrible was going to happen to one of the team this series and i was praying they wouldn't bump anyone off because i like them all. so... be interesting to see what transpires!

Love to write more but my cat is staring intently at me in an "i want more food/your attention" kind of way and its a bit distracting to say the least! Plus i want to get dinner going for me and the troops before A2A starts....

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From:drakyndra
Date:February 22nd, 2008 12:35 am (UTC)

Re: Zombie Owen

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Which Torchwood comm are you talking about, pray tell? I mod a couple, and am a member of a huge amount more.

I wasn't as shocked by it, as I had been spoiled for the death/coming back bit. But the zombification was a bit of a surprise. And I don't really think that the Life on Mars reference was intentional, but it was still rather amusing.

Oh, cats have been known to do that a lot. *is mildly upset at living in a No Pets Allowed building now*
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From:koshiroryuu
Date:February 22nd, 2008 01:14 am (UTC)
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Zombie!Owen is a fine idea, but I think he'll be cured by the end of the next episode. And the little Tarot Girl will never be explained, or if she is it'll be tacked on somewhere that doesn't really make sense. And I'm still trying to decide if I want to subject myself to last year's sex gas episode long enough to compare the sex gas girl's freakout scene to Owen's freakout scene and see if it was an exact enough duplicate that it's the same people in the background and everything.

I didn't like this episode as much as I liked "Reset". I'll admit that it's slightly unfair of me to compare the two, though, as "Reset" was made of pure joy.

Also, I think it's kind of a shame that Matt Jones never got to write for BtVS, since he clearly wanted to and has never really been able to get over it, apparently. I'm sure they could've made room for him in Season 7 somewhere. So sad.

Edited at 2008-02-22 01:14 am (UTC)
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 22nd, 2008 01:37 am (UTC)
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I think about the only way I'll be fine about Owen being cured is if Martha is the one who comes up with the cure. Because then we can say that Martha Jones can cure zombies, which verges on Chuck Norris levels of Badass.

But I would really prefer they stick to their guns on this.

If you don't want to watch the rest of that episode, I have some of the freak-out scene on YouTube. Though I was more focused on getting the stuff about advertising...

Agreed about Reset.

And also agreed about Matt Jones. *snerk*
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From:koshiroryuu
Date:February 22nd, 2008 04:37 am (UTC)
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Oooooooh, Martha curing Owen could definitely work for me, although it seems unlikely since Martha didn't even show up in the preview at all. Grr. Something I realized after posting, too, was that they could also just cop out and say that the residual magic energy that's keeping him alive can also heal broken bones or whatnot, which looks more likely from the preview. Maybe a combination of the two? Martha Jones/Chuck Norris OTP OMG!

Thank you for the freakout footage! I'd sort of realized in the back of my head that hers was during the day and his was at night, but I was just so struck by the similarities that I kind of overlooked that major difference, there. Apparently there is only the one way in the world of showing a freakout, or possibly there are more ways but no one involved in filming Torchwood knows how to do them. I'm kind of amused by the idea that they have a little seat that attaches to a camera, though, which each individual actor gets to ride when it's time for the Annual Freakout Scene. I like to call it the Freakout Seat. I'll bet it has a label and everything.

Also, I <3 your icon. Just so you know. :D
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 22nd, 2008 04:55 am (UTC)
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Previews: Not always the best depiction of what goes on in an episode.

That said, I agree on the whole zombie!Owen having super healing being likely. Not as fun as gradually falling apart zombie!Owen, but that's TV for you. So, who's going to write that fic?

I originally had it uploaded for discussion in a class I took last year. But I got lazy and never ended up showing it. But yes, there was a distinct note of similarity there. Not sure how it's done in practical terms, actually.

The icon is brand new - got it from this post here, which has many, many awesome icons. I got this one there as well.
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From:koshiroryuu
Date:February 22nd, 2008 05:08 am (UTC)
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If he's still dead at the end of the next episode, I will write fic about Owen's bits falling off, I promise.

And those icons are gorgeous OMG. And she's got a manip of Martha and Rose holding hands! I'm still trying to get used to how they're my new OTP, it's just all so weird for me, that.
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 22nd, 2008 11:02 am (UTC)
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Huzzah! I shall be most amused.

They are quite nice, aren't they? I can't really get behind that ship, given that I don't like Rose enough to want to ship Martha with her. Well, that and I'm not huge on femslash.
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From:koshiroryuu
Date:February 22nd, 2008 11:36 pm (UTC)
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See, that's the weird part, I don't like Rose enough to ship her with people, either. Well, not in a non-crackish sort of way that doesn't involve me shipping her with Davros or something, anyway. And at this point, certain subsets of Who fandom have caused to have an instant virulent back-button response to nearly any type of Rose pic at all, which is actually really kind of sad. So I saw those manips and I was like, "Oh, yay, just what I needed, yet more Rose pic... oh, wait, they're my OTP now! I totally forgot! Weird."

Because apparently I like Rose when I write her. I don't know why that is. It's just... strange. Sigh.
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From:koshiroryuu
Date:February 29th, 2008 10:58 pm (UTC)
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As promised, fic! XD

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