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February 27th, 2008


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01:00 am - And so the Doctor Who finale has started filming.
And thus there are spoilers


Well, Rose being in the finale now has been confirmed beyond rumour.

What I am more interested in is Jackie and Mickey (and possibly Pete). Does this mean they've been filming a scene in the alt!verse, or that Mickey and Jackie come through with Rose et al?

It's also kind of interesting that there were no trailers for the three people that are the leads for the series, going by press releases (the Doctor, Donna and Martha, for those who haven't been paying attention).

However, I will admit that as much as I shall squee over getting to see Mickey again - and Jackie too, for that matter, I'm a bit iffy on the amount of people we know for the finale. I just don't think there will be time to do all the characters justice - I mean look how often Torchwood seems to sideline one (or more) of it's leads.

Although I'm kind of grateful we have the three eps with Martha earlier in the series, as she gets her dramatic return before it becomes the fashionable thing to do, as it were.

Maybe it's just that I think big huge casts with lots of past characters showing up work better if they're a slightly cracktastic special (ala The Five Doctors) rather than a dramatic season finale. I don't dislike them in theory, I just think they aren't the best place for anything hugely dependent on ongoing plots. It's hard enough to combine decent plot and decent character interactions with just a couple of characters, it has to get exponentially worse the more characters are included.

Which means, it's likely one of them will be cut back a bit. Which leaves us with either dodgy plot, and decent character stuff, or a decent plot, and characters getting sidelined (which is rather pointless if they're going to all this effort just to include them).

...Eh. Maybe I'm just in a pessimistic mood right now. Any suggestions for cheering me up?

Also, it's an undeniable fact that the finale is going to piss off at least one portion of fandom. But what's the betting on which portion of fandom it is due to be?

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From:persiflage_1
Date:February 26th, 2008 02:30 pm (UTC)
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I'm already pissed off, despite my excessive Marthatude (as parrotfish terms it) - I just do not see the point in having that many characters in the finale. I love the idea (expressed by neadods) of driving home the fact that Rose is NOT the only companion worth thinking or talking about, BUT I have a fear of major sidelining for anyone who isn't blonde or related to a blonde in some way.

Besides, if I wanted to watch kitchen sink drama, I wouldn't be watching Doctor Who !

*digs out more Classic Who eps to watch and revel in*

PS And I agree with the Five Doctors comment - that worked because it was a cracktastic special, this ain't !
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 26th, 2008 02:53 pm (UTC)
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I love the idea (expressed by neadods) of driving home the fact that Rose is NOT the only companion worth thinking or talking about, BUT I have a fear of major sidelining for anyone who isn't blonde or related to a blonde in some way.

I think that statement gives a pretty good summary of my thoughts - the whole multi-companion thing makes it less a story about X returning, and more about companions as a whole returning. But it also leads to worries that character X will be sidelined. Which will probably happen with Jackie and Mickey, anyway, since they aren't leads, but still leaves us with the Doctor, Donna, Martha, Rose, Jack, Sarah Jane...

I think my ideal way for the episode to finish (when it comes to considering Rose, at least, is her saying something about wanting to with her family, Mickey, et al, but not wanting to leave the Doctor alone. And the Doctor responding that he isn't alone. *cue images of Donna, Martha, Jack, Sarah*

Dunno how likely that is. But I'll make a note of this post, just in case.

It is my personal opinion that a Christmas special would be the perfect time for a multi-Doctor story.
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From:persiflage_1
Date:February 26th, 2008 03:47 pm (UTC)
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Agreed re. the Xmas Special.

I'm concerned that there's a possibility that Doomsaday's going to be reset (leaving Rose et al in the this universe) - which makes me wonder what the hell the point of Season 3 was, except to pi$$ off anyone who doesn't love Rose & co.

I wish I trusted RTD enough not to screw it up, but I can't.
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From:neadods
Date:February 26th, 2008 04:42 pm (UTC)
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It is my personal opinion that a Christmas special would be the perfect time for a multi-Doctor story.

Oh, that would be fabulous!
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From:in_the_end
Date:February 26th, 2008 02:35 pm (UTC)
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Lis Sladen said that despite all the returning characters, it's still primarily the Doctor and Donna who are the leads which cheers me as I want Donna to have her finale.

I just hope Rusty has it in him to pull this one off.

Edited at 2008-02-26 02:36 pm (UTC)
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 26th, 2008 02:48 pm (UTC)
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I find the first statement somewhat cheering, too - it might explain why the Doctor and Donna (and Martha) aren't with that group filming, they're in an alternate scene in this part of the story.

Which doesn't account for Sarah Jane. Unless she's with, you know, Martha. Which would be awesomesauce.
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From:doyle_sb4
Date:February 26th, 2008 02:51 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, I'm wondering if it might divide up that way - Rose, Jack and the Tylers in one group, Martha and Sarah in another, the Doctor in the hands of the big bad, and Donna going to rescue him (a la Astrid in VotD)
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From:dune_drd
Date:February 26th, 2008 03:49 pm (UTC)
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You know, until the entire Alt!verse combo doesn't say "Screw you, we're outta here" in unison, this just can't work...
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 27th, 2008 02:33 am (UTC)
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I'm still trying to work out how the entire episode will work!
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From:scooterbug1
Date:February 26th, 2008 07:18 pm (UTC)
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I'm hoping Rose & company are still in Pete's universe never to return and it's a case of Rose's Torchwood somehow communicating with Jack's Torchwood to warn them of some big bad thing. Or we get a "Day in the Life" of Rose & Co that shows they are just fine without the Doctor and Rose's rumored boyfriend is actually alt. Jack (after all, didn't Rose say Jack was like the Doctor only with dancing?)
I'm actually thinking of not watching any of S4 until after it airs in its entirety just so I know if it's worth getting invested in.
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 27th, 2008 02:36 am (UTC)
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I'm pretty certain Rose, at least, will be in the main universe. Dunno about the others.

And I doubt Rose would get an alt!Jack as a boyfriend. That'd be a bit dodgy, since Jack really wasn't a nice guy until he met the Doctor and all that.

I do wonder if Jack's going to confront Rose about the whole botched resurrection and immortality thing. Rose's reaction to that could be... interesting.

I'm fine on most of S4, it's just the ending I'm mildly worried about.
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From:__kali__
Date:February 26th, 2008 07:22 pm (UTC)
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Also, it's an undeniable fact that the finale is going to piss off at least one portion of fandom. But what's the betting on which portion of fandom it is due to be?

I reckon Rusty will pull off the impossible and piss EVERYONE off.
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 27th, 2008 02:37 am (UTC)
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Only if he's aiming high, sweetie.
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From:stoplookingup
Date:February 26th, 2008 08:14 pm (UTC)
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A big difference between Companionpalooza and Five Doctors is that in Five Doctors, the companions were from different eras and didn't have intersecting arcs, let alone emotional entanglements with each others' stories. And the Doctor interacting with himself is just good in a campy sort of way. But here we've got all this -- emotional baggage.
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From:drakyndra
Date:February 27th, 2008 02:38 am (UTC)
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Actually that's a very good point, which complicates things here a whole lot more.

Edited at 2008-02-27 02:38 am (UTC)

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