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July 16th, 2008


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11:21 pm - In which I mock the poor Americans who have to wait a couple more days to see it
To all those people who didn't come along and see The Dark Knight AHAHA YOU MISSED OUT SUCKERS!

'Cos, that was one ridiculously badass movie.

I may have to watch it a couple more times to see if I entirely get every aspect of it (I know, the pain ;)), but yeah. Good movie.

Also? Dark as fuck.

Yeah, I get that it's, you know, in the name and all that, but this is so not a cheery happy holiday movie like, say, Iron Man or Indiana Jones. This doesn't end up happily ever after (and on that note, I am so wanting to know what is planned for the sequel. 'Cos that could be interesting)

And onto some more spoilery comments:


My main thought is just how much does it suck to be Harvey Dent?

Seriously. I mean, if there was ever a "It Sucks To Be Me" competition, movie-verse Harvey totally has that in the main.

Because damn. Poor guy.

Next thought: Not to sound unsympathetic or anything, but I think it's impossible to watch this movie and feel sad over Heath Ledger. Not because it wasn't uttery tragic or anything, but because there is no fucking way I could possibly identify the Joker as Heath Ledger in this movie.

Admittedly, the make-up probably helped out her, but just the whole persona, and the twitchiness and the way he would simultaneously be hilarious and creepy as all hell and thoroughly entertaining all at once just... yeah. I suppose that's where all the Oscar talk is coming from, because it was just so very other.

I did wince distinctly when they brought in the "dead" Joker in the bag, though. And I had to stay until his dedication in the credits, too (I was expecting it to be sooner, actually. But there may be rules on that sort of thing...)

Also (and I'm delving into to my fairly limited Batman comics knowledge here), there was a line from the Joker to Batman near the end that I would swear is a close paraphrase of something from The Killing Joke. The bit about destiny, for those who've seen it. Unfortunately, I know neither the movie or the comic well enough yet to give you the exact phrasing, but still, there was an audible squee from me there.

A non-audible squee was when little Barbara Gordon showed up. That said, not only was she a pre-teen, but she also had no lines whatsoever (and I don't think we even got a good look at her face), so I doubt we'll be seeing a movieverse Batgirl any time soon.

Actually, while I'm on the whole tangent Re: The Killing Joke, I have to say that there were some serious parallels going on there. Replace comic!Gordon with movie!Dent and comic!Barbara with Rachel, and the Joker's plan was exactly the same. Only in the movieverse, the Joker wins. He gives the good man his one bad day, and turns him into a murderer.

Actually, that's possibly why this movie is so very dark: Even if the Joker's schemes (and despite what he says, he totally is a schemer - then again, the Joker lies so very much in this movie, I wouldn't be surprised if he knew that) didn't all go to plan, even if he didn't end up with nearly as much death and destruction as he wanted, even if he ended up caught... on a personal level, he won. No wonder he was laughing...

And it ends on an oh-so-dark note. Pun not intended. Seriously, Empire Strikes Back ending. Good guys survived (mostly), but they didn't win. Bad guys are just as powerful. It totally sucks to be Bruce Wayne (or Batman, rather) now - he's taken the fall for Harvey's crimes, he's hated in the city, he's very possibly lost the support of Lucius, Alfred is hiding the fact Rachel chose Harvey over him. It's not Harvey Dent level of life suckage (quite), but still... poor guy.

That said, there is some supreme badassery shown by Batman in this movie.

As for any criticisms, I can see why people might say that it starts off a bit talky (because it does), and that could have been a bit better done. And I think the final scene with Harvey could have used a little more tension building, just so it felt a little more... climactic.

Also, offing Rachel definitely seemed to be, to use the fannish parlance, fridging. Yeah, she wasn't the most popular character around, and the fact of her death was heavily felt in the film, but she was killed just to motivate Harvey and Bruce (and establish the Joker's brilliant bastardness).

ETA: I honestly can't believe I forgot to mention this earlier, but the Joker is totally gay for Batman. Though that's nothing new, going by the comics I've seen...


And that would be that. I now want fic, fanart, fanvids and all that jazz. C'mon TVTropes, RandomGuy, etcetera...

...And I have to wait for all the other countries to catch up with us. *sigh*

Oh, and in all that, I never mentioned that I was with raptor_au, whom I met in the flesh for the first time. Which was rather entertaining, even if we spent a while post-movie wandering the street and failing to find donuts or chocolate mousse.

Egads, it was another Cake HuntTM. I'm contagious!
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From:gryffinclaw
Date:July 16th, 2008 05:28 pm (UTC)
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*is jealous*

I can not wait to see it!!!
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From:drakyndra
Date:July 16th, 2008 05:35 pm (UTC)
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MWAHAHA.

Gotta love being Australian right now.
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From:doylefan22
Date:July 16th, 2008 06:18 pm (UTC)
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What rating did it get over there? In the UK it's going to be a 12A and I'm surprised they got it that low - especially considering the shots of Dent's face I've seen.
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From:drakyndra
Date:July 17th, 2008 01:23 am (UTC)
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It got an M (which means recommended for 15+, but you don't need an adult to get in - between PG and MA).

And yes, there was some severe ick there.
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From:voicegrl
Date:July 16th, 2008 11:43 pm (UTC)

I'm in Florida and I saw it almost 24 hours ago!!!

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Saw it last night in IMAX! I love it! I'm a Heath!Joker convert!! He played the hell out of that part!! But, we can't overlook the awesomness of the Bale! The man can do anything!!!! And hats off to Aaron Eckhart! I'm so impressd! Just, a great film! Everything about it rocked!
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From:drakyndra
Date:July 17th, 2008 01:23 am (UTC)

Re: I'm in Florida and I saw it almost 24 hours ago!!!

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You get to see a preview or something?

...That's a whole lotta exclamations marks.
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From:voicegrl
Date:July 17th, 2008 02:38 am (UTC)

Re: I'm in Florida and I saw it almost 24 hours ago!!!

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It's one of the perks of working in radio. Let's face it, you don't make the money unless you're in sales, and I think I'll keep my soul. So, we get perks like meeting celebs, movie previews, concert tix, etc. I love what I do, but the perks are definitely an extra added bonus.
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From:drakyndra
Date:July 17th, 2008 02:41 am (UTC)

Re: I'm in Florida and I saw it almost 24 hours ago!!!

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Ah, nifty.

What other fabulous perks have you experienced in the past?
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From:voicegrl
Date:July 17th, 2008 02:44 am (UTC)

Re: I'm in Florida and I saw it almost 24 hours ago!!!

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That's pretty much it. We get to meet people, go to movie premieres, if they have extra concert tix, we get them, sometimes, people don't come to pick up prizes, so we'll get dvd's or cd's. That's basically it. But, it saves money that I don't have. :-)
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From:pyrae
Date:July 20th, 2008 04:08 am (UTC)
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In more recent comic canon, Barbara of Batgirl/Oracle fame is actually Gordon's niece, not his daughter. There are plenty of other feminist complaints to make about the movie (which I otherwise found awesome), but at least I do not believe they intentionally ignored such an important character.

And I glanced through The Killing Joke again, but while I do remember a conversation at some point about how the Joker can never kill the Batman, it's not in this issue. Batman believes one of them will inevitably have to kill the other, and offers Joker an out to prevent it, and Joker says "I'm sorry, but it's too late for that, far too late." And then he tells a joke about lunatics, and they laugh over it together, and the end.

And now I'm going to go crazy trying to remember where the destiny talk is!
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From:drakyndra
Date:July 20th, 2008 04:26 am (UTC)
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And watch me get pwned with comics knowledge. (Me = comics n00b)

It's going to bug me even more. Because I haven't a damned clue where I saw it.
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From:pyrae
Date:July 20th, 2008 04:43 am (UTC)
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I just looked up confirmation of Babs' current canon relations and posted. No one will notice, but I feel better for having said it.

I've definitely seen a comic version of a "you complete me, I could never kill you" sort of statement from Joker. Those two are so in love, and also the same person. I adore the way Gotham comics poke at the psyche. But, no, I got no idea where I read it, either.
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From:drakyndra
Date:July 20th, 2008 04:57 am (UTC)
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The psychological complexity is where the whole Joker-Batman thing lives. Because on the surface it really does seem an odd mix, Bat vs Clown. But when it's well written, for some reason it just works. Perfectly.

And whatever flaws there may be with TDK, the Batman-Joker stuff was perfect.
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From:lf2871
Date:July 29th, 2008 06:22 pm (UTC)
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Random comment: the desteny stuff. I think it might have been arkham asylum, don't have it with me to check though.

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