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October 31st, 2006


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12:46 am - Torchwood Episode 3
Review/comments are a bit late, as I was distracted by other things. Still, I'll be brief and give my opinion. Because I am sure you are all desperate to know what I think.


- Still far from perfect, and I could guess at where the plot was going to head a little too easily, but a huge improvement from last episode, which did not impress me at all. If the things that were touched on here are followed up on, this show really might deserve the whole "adult drama" thing it's going for.

- Seeing the past thing made sense. The seeing the future thing sort of did, too, though the seemed to try and go both ways on the predestination vs self-made future, what with the kid vs Gwen.

- The end contained rather too much portentious speechifying about the future and hope and all that. The message could have been gotten across in rather less screentime and/or dialogue.

- Not enough Ianto. Still, that looks to be remedied next week, hurrah!

- Not enouh Toshiko, either. Admittedly, we seem to be going by the one or two characters are focused on an episode, but we know far too little about them three episodes in - that's a quarter of the series, almost!

- After this episode, Owen became... if not likeable, at least given the potential of being likeable in the future. He's a bit of a twat, but a well acted one, and if he actually shows signs of learning from the empathy with the raped and murdered girl, than II'll be happy. If not, I shall be, as they say Not Amused.

- Rhys - Gwen's boyfriend - is an utter darling. And judging from the stuff Gwen saw from the Ghost Machine, they had a great relationship. I am dreading whatever horrible thing people feel compelled to have happen to Rhys/their relationship. Curse you, television, and your unhappy relationship conventions!

- Gwen, I am starting to like rather more. She seemed a bit more competant and like someone who was a police officer, so she had more interest. That said, I can't believe she was so useless around guns. I learnt how to shoot at 14, and I have no aspirations of law enforcement whatsoever - though it was with shot-gun, rather than revolver. (which is why I was vaguely annoyed with the one hand-only, no support for recoil thing. Stance was right, but she wasn't set up for recoil)

- I do hope the "Gwen killed someone" thread is also touched upon later on. She had her shocked little break down, and again, if it is brushed over I willbe vaguely annoyed.

- Jack seems rather less interesting than he was in Doctor Who. He is so... gloomy, and nowhere near as fun. Logical, considering what he has went through, but a bit depressing. I want some outrageous, flirty fun Jack to contrast with the angst. Too much angst gets on my nerves. Example: When Gwen asked if he got lonely at night. Perfect set up for some outrageous comment, and what did we get? Nothing.

- Note to production team: Plz stop shoving the Jack/Gwen ship down my throat. As the gun training scene showed, they can be mondo hot. The deep talks and confiding only in you and all that really aren't necessary. They just seem... superflous.

- They seem to have slightly toned down the dramatic aerial shots. Which is a bit more productive. And less is more and all that.

- Chase scenes - or the first one, at least - seemed a bit too long. I liked the second with the running through the yards, though. It was fun.

Overall: If the character stuff is continued on - and we actually learn a bit about Tosh and Ianto</i>, this show just might get somewhere. I still don't like it nearly as much as Who, but it's interesting, and it can be fun.

And, next week is Cyberness!
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From:neadods
Date:October 30th, 2006 02:23 pm (UTC)
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Jack seems rather less interesting than he was in Doctor Who. He is so... gloomy, and nowhere near as fun. Logical, considering what he has went through, but a bit depressing. I want some outrageous, flirty fun Jack to contrast with the angst

Yes. The scene where he was teaching Gwen to shoot was the closest to classic Jack that we've gotten yet. Angst, no longer human, got it. But at heart, hopefully, he's still supposed to be *Jack*!

Now, if we can just get Gwen to stop being drippy... while this episode was the best reason yet to be moaning and weepy, I'm less impressed by Gwen than I am by codependent S2 Rose.
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From:drakyndra
Date:October 30th, 2006 02:38 pm (UTC)
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Yes, that scene was good. And the reason I liked Jack was that he was snarky and fun, and a little bit dark. And that's sort of a little lost right now. It's obviously there below the surface, so can we please get more entertaining Jack, rather than super angsty Jack?

Gwen... seems to have - in my eyes, at least - a big case of a decent character being forced to act in ways that the character normally wouldn't. The story not quite fitting the character and all. Perhaps it's just a case of I'm not into the series enough, though.
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From:neadods
Date:October 30th, 2006 05:07 pm (UTC)
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I'm hoping that they intend to lighten him up as the season goes on, much as they lightened the Nineth Doctor as his season went on - before they went and dropped Daleks on him, mind you. But then, we know that Jack has a big angsty reunion in his future as well.
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From:drakyndra
Date:October 31st, 2006 01:29 am (UTC)
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Yes, a little lightening would be nice - or at least, he gets more friendly as people get to know him. The big angsty reunion isn't until Doctor Who (and that's still plenty of months off. Though Barrowman apparently starts filming for Doctor Who in like a week or something)
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From:neadods
Date:October 31st, 2006 01:37 am (UTC)
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he gets more friendly as people get to know him

Which really makes me wonder about the rest of the Torchwood people, honestly. Who comes to work for someone that they don't know a THING about?

And hopefully Jack will get to know his people too, because right now he's not being a good leader. He should know that his people are pilfering stuff. He should certainly know that his SIC was utterly batshit!
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From:drakyndra
Date:October 31st, 2006 01:46 am (UTC)
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It's a bit... you have to wonder how long they have worked together, to know so little about one another. Which is an interesting point to ponder, but sort of lessens the "new girl" impact of Gwen, if they haven't known one another long.

And yes, he's not exactly being the best leader right now
From:cryptile
Date:October 30th, 2006 02:27 pm (UTC)
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You basically summed it all up perfectly.

(not enough pterodactyl either)
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From:drakyndra
Date:October 30th, 2006 02:34 pm (UTC)
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THE PTERODACTYL IS THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL!

I need a pterodactyl icon.
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From:xwingace
Date:October 30th, 2006 03:13 pm (UTC)
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These probably aren't the best ones, but:

http://community.livejournal.com/torchwoodcoffee/1488.html#cutid1

One of those, maybe?

XWA
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From:drakyndra
Date:October 31st, 2006 01:30 am (UTC)
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Cute. ;)
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From:neadods
Date:October 30th, 2006 05:15 pm (UTC)
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The Pterodactyl needs its own comm!
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From:drakyndra
Date:October 31st, 2006 01:31 am (UTC)
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Well, I ain't starting it.
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From:xwingace
Date:October 30th, 2006 02:29 pm (UTC)
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Rhys is fantastic. I don't want anything bad to happen to that relationship either. But it most likely will. He's just too sweet.

That said, I don't actually think Jack/Gwen is going to happen. I could see it happening from Gwen's POV, but Jack doesn't seem to be interested in *that*. Or that last shot would have been quite different, I think.

Jack needs to turn down the angst a little more, yes, but it was better already. Or maybe I'm just getting used to it.

As to the learning to shoot, I think that's determined a great deal also by the cultures and regions we're all in, and the people around us. Okay, for a police officer to not learn to shoot may be a little strange (but I don't know the regulations for British police forces - or Dutch ones, for that matter) But I don't think it's all that common in Western Europe for children to learn how to shoot unless they actually join the military.

XWA
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From:drakyndra
Date:October 30th, 2006 02:44 pm (UTC)
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He's so sweet and funny, and he's a darling. So naturally something dreadful will happen to him.

I'm starting to wonder. What I am hoping they are doing now is setting up the ship the way it is - very obvious, surfacey thing - and then pull a double-blind and turn up to be another big ship instead. Jack/Gwen as a decoy rather than OTP. I rather like that idea.

I want more fun Jack. *pouts*

My school had a compulsorary Army Cadet program for two years. Once a month instead of having classes, you'd come to school in your camo and march and do... army stuff. Then again, I lived in the country. People would go shooting for fun.
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From:xwingace
Date:October 30th, 2006 03:11 pm (UTC)
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Would it be an idea for me to create a Rhys comm?

Jack/Gwen as a decoy sounds like a good idea, yes.

I want a little more fun Jack, too, but I'd also just like him to just let some of those emotions out. He's got quite a bit of anger and sadness in there, but it's all bottled up (and not even hiding behind a glib exterior anymore) Let it show for once, Jack.

Of course, it doesn't exactly help that this weekend I got a plotbunny for an Angsty Jack fic that in many ways fits so well with the theme of this ep it's scary.

XWA
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From:drakyndra
Date:October 31st, 2006 01:34 am (UTC)
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I would join it. Dunno about anyone else

I like decoy ideas. But I have a tendancy to automatically assume when something is ma insanely obvious, it's a trick.

Yes, he's too busy being dark and angsty without being... much of anything else, for the most part. A bit of variety would be nice.

Oh, fic?
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From:nostalgia_lj
Date:October 30th, 2006 03:20 pm (UTC)
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But Jack/Gwen is so the ship Rusty would write!
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From:drakyndra
Date:October 31st, 2006 01:35 am (UTC)
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Which is why I am hoping he has pulled a shock twist. I like being surprised.
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From:nostalgia_lj
Date:October 31st, 2006 03:45 am (UTC)
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I lay a quid on Jack/Gwen shippery with possibly side flings for both of them before they accept their love.
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From:drakyndra
Date:October 30th, 2006 02:48 pm (UTC)
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I haven't seen Bleak House. I don't watch that much telly, actually.

No idea. Next ep is Ianto and cyber-stuff, and I shall have to check out the other upcoming ep before I make any bets. And episode or two after next, perhaps?

I'm current claiming decoy for the Jack/Gwen ship, because that way the over-doing it makes sense - like the "Rose dies" anvil when she so plainly wasn't.

And I shall have to listen again to hear the bongos.
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From:drakyndra
Date:October 31st, 2006 01:42 am (UTC)
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I heard good things about it, but never saw it.

Rhys is an utter darling. And he and Gwen were so sweet. Which, in good old television tradition, means it's all going to go horribly, horribly wrong. I am hoping for decoy. It'd certainly impress me more than the very, very obvious Gwen/Jack push.

I knew vaguely we had a Cyber-ep coming back, but more from trailers and screencaps than reading.
From:trotskysnowball
Date:October 30th, 2006 09:57 pm (UTC)
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That said, I can't believe she was so useless around guns. I learnt how to shoot at 14, and I have no aspirations of law enforcement whatsoever - though it was with shot-gun, rather than revolver. (which is why I was vaguely annoyed with the one hand-only, no support for recoil thing. Stance was right, but she wasn't set up for recoil)

Most British police aren't trained to use firearms. To be a copper with a gun over here, you need to get special trainings and the like.

Oh, and Rhys is deader than Lincoln.
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From:drakyndra
Date:October 31st, 2006 01:39 am (UTC)
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Really? Colour me surprised. (Disclaimer: Ex-farmgirl. Have gone through phases in which a loaded shotgun was left next to the back door, because of snakes and other nasty wild-life around. Guns are sort of part of life. Not always nice - a guy I went to primary school was killed in a shooting accident - but something I am very used to.)

Poor Rhys.
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From:calapine
Date:October 31st, 2006 07:58 pm (UTC)
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Aye, we arm our police with wee wooden sticks mostly. You usually have to be a member of a special unit to get hold of firearms. And guns, in general, are pretty rare here compared to most countries. It's practically impossible, for instance, for a private citizien to own a handgun.

Partly, it's down to culture - we've never been big on guns and don't have a big problem with gun crime, generally. But in the past decade the laws have become even more stringent because of the Dunblane Massacre: in 1996 a guy went into a Scottish primary school and shot dead 16 5 year olds and their teacher. I know there's a lot of school shootings in America, but that was unheard of here, and the laws were changed to make sure it could never happen again.

/ramblings on UK and guns
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From:drakyndra
Date:November 1st, 2006 02:01 am (UTC)
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I think it's partially the cultural differences between countries that surprised me, but it's mostly just personal experience - as I said, ex-farmgirl. I haven't a clue how people in the city are about guns in Australia. It's one of those things you just get used to, in the country

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