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April 5th, 2010


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10:44 pm - And naturally I have more to say about fandom than anything else
And I'm back! Not that I exactly went away for long. Or exactly "away" for that matter.

Still, the jaunt out the Hamiltonian way was interesting enough. Had dinner with the family at a Greek restaurant I swear wasn't there last time I was in Hamilton; got a bag full of Easter eggs which I lugged back up to Melbourne with me; in a bit of free time, I started to watch Full Metal Panic (xwingace will be pleased); cleared out some of my more sentimental and/or useful junk from the far, (Gosh, it's been a while since I've been out there). Though I was right, most of the stuff there I won't really miss all that much.

Oh, and got Dad's address for where he'll be living in Thailand. I think he offered to pay for us to come over and visit when he's there. Which on one hand: free trip to Thailand. On the other hand: everything else. Sigh.

In other news, the trip to the USA in the middle of the year is looking increasingly likely. Here's hoping that happens.

In non-Hamilton related news, my flist has exploded with stuff about new Doctor Who. It's all very chatty and nostalgic.

Also, apparently, the new series of Ashes to Ashes, though that got swept away in the tide of Doctor Who. I still need to watch that episode, though.

Oh: New (and final) FMA:B Opening and Ending themes. Like the animation, am still deciding about the songs. They are also quite spoilery to recent chapters, though IDK if it might be cryptic enough to escape people who haven't read the manga.

One of the things I did follow a bit while I was away was some of the ongoing shenanigans between The HMS STFU and the Snapefen, and somehow when wandered into the discussion it somehow ended involving some ongoing dicussion I've been having about certain aspects of Code Geass fandom and then the streams crossed, and now I sorta-kinda want to write a paper analysing the psychological underpinnings of the Draco In Leather Pants tendency in parts of fandom.

Yes, I know. How would you even study something like that? I don't even know what subject it would be classified under.

In conclusion, ypaladinofchaos, why do you always update that fic of yours on mornings when I am just about to leave home?
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From:xwingace
Date:April 5th, 2010 04:22 pm (UTC)
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:-)

For the essay; Media Studies?

XWA
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From:drakyndra
Date:April 6th, 2010 01:11 am (UTC)
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It might fir under that, though I'm more interested in individual's reaction to the text than the text itself. Why people would chose an oppositional reading, I suppose.
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From:robotlove
Date:April 7th, 2010 07:56 am (UTC)
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Well, before reading that CG article, I would probably just have said people root for Lelouch because they like the thrill of what he's doing - I'm sure most of the teenaged audience would love the thought of "rebelling" against authority in some way, for all the various reasons (I'm right, they're wrong, they just don't understand). Give them Lelouch, as a representation of the ability to "rebel" and succeed, add bishie CLAMP sparkles and a charismatic personality and viola. You don't even need to add the leather pants, he already HAS them! And a hot red jacket to boot!

As to why people want him alive, I think I'm still sticking to silly fangirls (and fanboys, too, to quite an extent) wanting their Fairy Tale endings, especially if they liked Lelouch (he must have a happy end for all that he did RIGHT!) or if it gives their ship Happily Ever After (see Lelouch, C.C., and that famous cart). But then of course, I say this because I'm guilty of it myself. ;D
There really is a lot less meaning to the story if he lived, though, and hence I continue to oppose such theories when they're applied to canon.
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From:drakyndra
Date:April 7th, 2010 09:24 am (UTC)
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Well, the first bit is sort of what my hypothesis was getting at: People like characters like Lelouch (and for that matter Snape), because they are cool and badass and rebellious and basically get to do everything people wish they could do and get away with it. But society tells people - especially children - that they should only like things that are good. And so in order to justify liking these characters some people (Key word there: Some. Not all.) go ahead and whitewash all their... less than good aspects. Which frequently entails demonizing characters that oppose or criticise them.

As for the ending - it comes back to the "do everything people want to do and get away with it" factor. People dislike it because they think Lelouch should be able to plan a way to get away with it, or they think it's OOC for him to chose not to try and get away with everything.

But I think it's more heroic that, when given the chance to get away with everything bad he's done, he actively chooses not to. He's finally living up to Zero's principles, which is why I like it; it's not OOC, it's character development.

But yeah, I'll read fic where he lived, but I prefer it if he didn't from a canon perspective.
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From:robotlove
Date:April 7th, 2010 09:28 am (UTC)
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Yeah, the heavy criticism of characters who oppose Lelouch is just... sad. *shakes head* Especially when CG is especially good for the whole "gray areas" thing.


oooh mymy, is that a sexy new icon I see *sparkly eyes*
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From:drakyndra
Date:April 7th, 2010 09:34 am (UTC)
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Well, that's kind of how this whole thing started: The most extreme Snapefen have a tendency to do the exact same thing to anyone opposing Snape.

And yes, yes it is. From here. I had trouble deciding between 111 and 114.
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From:robotlove
Date:April 7th, 2010 09:45 am (UTC)
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Well, I'm actually not very familiar with HP fandom at all, having only watched movies no. 1, 2, and 6, read some fluffy DracoHermione by a friend when I was 14, and one other Snape/Harry fic early this year. But I hear that Snape's life is quite a tragic story, in a way. (Because of how he'd loved Lily and all that.)
Oh well, fandom always likes to go overboard with things.

WHAT A BUNCH OF SHINY. But alas I am lazy to go through pixiv at the moment; you wouldn't happen to have the original fanart for that, would you?? (Just thought I'd ask, since nothing to lose xD - although I'm sure I'll come across it when I DO eventually perform that raid on pixiv)
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From:drakyndra
Date:April 7th, 2010 10:02 am (UTC)
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HP was my main fandom for, oh, years and years. And the books are far better than the movies, which drop a lot of subplots, some which are quite relevent. And Snape's life is tragic, but he also makes some epically dumb choices. (He joins an organisation devoted to wiping out Muggleborn wizards and witches, when the girl he loves is Muggleborn.) He's basically a guy who never quite gets over his teenage issues.

Here it is! I liked that art from the first time I saw it.
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From:robotlove
Date:April 7th, 2010 10:07 am (UTC)
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They all seem to make idiotic decisions from time to time, don't they?

Ah, lovely, just lovely ♥ Thank you!
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From:ypaladinofchaos
Date:May 21st, 2010 06:17 am (UTC)
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(I update because I like to tempt you into wasting your morning)

It would probably be under psychological associations or whatever it's actually called- people subconsciously identify with a character and thus can't bear to see their mental image of that idol torn down lest it put on some hard truths about themselves.
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From:drakyndra
Date:May 21st, 2010 07:12 am (UTC)
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(Except you update at times when I can't procrastinate. I'm already expecting another update when I fly to the States).

Mmm, the belief that what we like provides some kind of moral judgement of the liker - which comes back to my original hypothesis, it's do with the social pressure to like only "good" things.

Which explains why male fanfic writers so often turn their favourite male characters into physical badasses, even if they aren't in canon - it's the stereotype of how a man is supposed to be.
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From:ypaladinofchaos
Date:May 21st, 2010 03:28 pm (UTC)
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I'll probably update like 3 times while you're gone. *grins* Giving you about 100 more pages of IHTW to read.

True, true- I wonder what that says about me, that I like characters with morally gray ideals and questionable methods, like Lelouch. In the extreme, I can't claim I like Light himself, but his ideals hold some merit, if not his methods.

Yeah, that's definitely true. Author-inserts are the most amusing of this philosophy- those characters are always unstoppable badasses, full of wit and charming to boot.
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From:drakyndra
Date:May 21st, 2010 04:24 pm (UTC)
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Aha! But I will be staying with my Uncle for much of the time, and he actually has Internet access!

See, here's something really odd about me: I almost always go for the traditional hero types, the kind that hate killing and will save their enemies, who believe in the good of humanity and are optimists and idealists, etcetera.

And then you have Light, who is my favourite Death Note character. I have no idea why.

"Charming" would be a better way of putting it - I find that the vast majority of the time, those sort of characters lose whatever appeal they may have originally had. For one thing, they are inevitably simpler and far less interesting than they are in canon.
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From:ypaladinofchaos
Date:May 21st, 2010 05:06 pm (UTC)
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Curses.

I usually favor the knights in sour armor more than the traditional hero- people who are genuinely heroic but conceal it behind a facade of snark/disinterest.

Hmmm... well, sometimes going against type is also nice- though I doubt anyone has one so radically against their usual type as you, lol. *grins*

It's difficult to keep a character the same as canon in a fanfic- the writer's prejudices, preferences, and other such personal issues will inevitably taint the characters without exception. The only way to deal with it is to try and minimize one's own influence as much as possible.
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From:drakyndra
Date:May 21st, 2010 05:33 pm (UTC)
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I have foiled your cunning plan.

Oh, I don't mind them, either. But yes, Light - and Ozymandias from Watchmen - are the two very pointed exceptions to my character type.

True, but unless you're going AU, there should at least be an attempt to keep things in character. I just find this kind of "fixing" characters rather tedious, not the least because that sort of fixing seems to lead to vastly different characters from vastly different fandoms becoming basically interchangable. It's no longer a story about Lelouch or Harry Potter or whoever, it's Generic Male Power Fantasy Character pretending to be these characters.

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